Boulcolonialboy is leaving libcom
Sep 8 2008
Hey, its been interesting and good while it lasted but I am leaving the libcom discussion forums. I'll continue to use the website and upload stuff when I have time but basically the forums have gone to the fuckin dogs lately.
Of course there are probably those who will blame revol68 on that but thats shite. There is just an amazing amount of crap on here that should have been deleted as close to as soon as it was posted as possible. There is also shit being posted on here that should get some people a kicking.
Really folks sort the admin or close the forums - its got that fucking bad.
Again thanks for the last few years.
Sep 8 2008
#2
us admins have been too busy to run around cleaning up after people. Most of the people who post here should be old enough to have a discussion without being an arsehole.
I just had a quick look in libcommunity and a lot of it looks at the train wreck. But I haven't got time to go through all of it.
If someone wants to post up links to threads which just shouldn't be here we can work through his delete the whole fucking things.
Meanwhile everyone else can try to act in their fucking age
Sep 8 2008
#3
Boul is right - the cretinous rubbish that makes up the majority of the forums would be cretinous rubbish wherever it was posted. The admins have always, IMO, shied away from dealing with this crap adequately. Not having time is only an excuse for those who always failed to deal decisively with things and allowed personal connections and fear of seeming 'authoritarian' to get in the way of just banning well-acquainted arseholes. And no, I'm not particularly referring to revol, who, even when unnecessarily abusive (comparatively rarely nowadays) usually has an intelligent point to make.
The libcommunity playpen ethos/attitude spills over to the rest of the site. Said all this before, it's boring, blah blah. Man, if you can't even deal with sorting these forums - libcom being a fine resource, in other aspects, that you've created - then forget developing the ability for decisive acts in the real class struggle. That's rude/unfair, but there's a certain truth to it. Stop being so fucking accomodating and nice and letting egoists turn your potentially fine resource into an embarrassment. If you quickly banned persistently abusive posters for progressively longer periods you'd have far less work to do than now in cleaning up the shit they leave around. As it is, you're losing the participation of many/most good posters and the forums just get worse.
I suggest closing the forums for a while and starting again from scratch with a new tougher code of behaviour.
And good for Boul for saying why he's leaving.
Sep 8 2008
#4
it's kind of true in the old days the ranting, raving and personal clashes and even the jokes had atleast some sort of political content, increasingly it's just being swamped by utter nonsense with zero political content. Saying that an awful lot of people do like to make a scapegoat of the forums when in truth they simply aren't willing or able to back up their politics that come under criticism.
Sep 9 2008
#5
Haven't really had a chance to check anything other than News in the last 3 months or so, so I'm not entirely sure what Boul's referring to...
Last time I checked Libcommunity it basically read like a transcript of various people's MSN convos, which, while dull, is hardly damaging British anarchism...
Sep 9 2008
#6
Alan wrote:
Last time I checked Libcommunity it basically read like a transcript of various people's MSN convos, which, while dull, is hardly damaging British anarchism...
I don't think anyone was suggesting it was....
Sep 9 2008
#7
Someone actually has suggested that, actually, just not on this thread on or this particular forum.
Sep 9 2008
#8
Close Libcommunity?
Devrim
Sep 9 2008
#9
It would help if boulcolonialboy could be more clear about what type of posts he objects to.
But, personally, I agree that libcommunity is boring and spills over into the rest of the forums.
also, 'tracker' used to ignore libcommunity, but for some reason it doesn't anymore, so you can't filter it out so easily. is it possible to undo that change?
Sep 9 2008
#10
Perhaps just just have libcommunity hosted on an external forum with a link, rather than having it directly visible from the main site, Its a fair point though, the quality of debate on the main forums isnt what it was, and while the ICC with their rather dull repetetive rants on the same subjects over and over again are no doubt not helping matters, its not fair to entirely blame them.
Sep 9 2008
#11
Just cut it out of tracker and put a note on the forum link, then if people don't want to check it they don't have to.
Sep 9 2008
#12
Ah so i thought i'd just popped in at a bad moment!
Yeah I dont see any reason for libcommunity to be in the tracker. I'd also drop it down along with bin into its own category at the bottom of the page.
Also maybe I'd suggest switching the forum index so it didnt display any different sub boards.
More in a couple of months 
Sep 9 2008
#13
here you go boul - www.anarchistblackcat.org
Seriously, if you hate libcommunity that much, just don't read it.
Sep 9 2008
#14
I don't read libcommunity (and have been busier than usual so not keeping up with much else either tbh). I agree it's a pile of shit and would be happy to remove it and then ban anyone who overspilled.
Ret, you know you can delete stuff right? You can probably ban people too iirc. Boul, we could probably give you rights to do that as well.
I personally wouldn't be opposed to shutting down libcommunity entirely, but I'd also be concerned about the rest of the forums getting even more infected than they are now.
Sep 9 2008
#15
Yeah you have to have somewhere like libcommunity otherwise it just spills out.
Sep 9 2008
#16
It’s pretty much got more posts in it than the rest of the libcom forums combined, you cannot unleash this tide of idiocy onto the unsuspecting theory and news forums!
Sep 9 2008
#17
+ I would make libcommunity and bin only viewable by registered users and consider making libcommunity accessible only after a certain number of posts.
+ I would set it to prune auto after 30 days or something.
Sep 9 2008
#18
As weeler said, the best argument against closing down libcommunity - www.anarchistblackcat.org
Sep 9 2008
#19
don't need to close it down - just take it out of tracker
Sep 9 2008
#20
Quote:
+ I would set it to prune auto after 30 days or something.
Hmm bit brief, I sometimes check back a while for stuff - maybe six months?
Sep 9 2008
#21
Or not at all.
Registered users and no tracker is plenty enough.
Sep 9 2008
#22
rakan wrote:
Ah so i thought i'd just popped in at a bad moment!Yeah I dont see any reason for libcommunity to be in the tracker. I'd also drop it down along with bin into its own category at the bottom of the page.
Also maybe I'd suggest switching the forum index so it didnt display any different sub boards.
More in a couple of months ;)
Well there was a thread in feedback on all this a few months ago and I was one the people who supported Libcommunity being removed from the 'tracker', even though i post on it a shitload.
Do people realise they can use a tab in 'tracker' that cuts out libcommunity anyway?
Sep 9 2008
#23
Jack wrote:
Or not at all.Registered users and no tracker is plenty enough.
yes
while it's daft, people need to stop being fucking mental about it
the knee-jerk scare shite is a bad as the twats who can't do irony without being arseholes
Sep 9 2008
#24
xConorx wrote:
the knee-jerk scare shite is a bad as the twats who can't do irony without being arseholes
We know how Dr. Frankenstein felt. 
Sep 9 2008
#25
xConorx wrote:
Do people realise they can use a tab in 'tracker' that cuts out libcommunity anyway?
no, I didn't realize that - can you tell us how?
Sep 9 2008
#26
yep if you go into tracker, just use the 3rd tab 'recent forum posts' instead of 'all posts' - that cuts out all the shite in libcommunity
again, there has alrteady been a thread on all this stuff from february
Sep 9 2008
#27
Conor and Jack stop being reasonable about this, there are people in libcommunity having a laugh and some of them even hang out with each other, this is offensive to the drips who aren't in on the jokes. Obviously the only remedy is to delete/ban everything.
Sep 9 2008
#28
to be fair i'm party to the injokes and hang out with youse and i find them rather tiresome, libcommunity is awash with utter nonsense.
Sep 9 2008
#29
I think Ret Marut has made some valid points, although I don't think the forums should be closed.
It is rather worrying that libcommunity gets more posts than all the other forums. Is libcom a social networking site or a political discussion forum? I've got nothing against a bit of banter, but the sheer amount of crap in libcommunity is simply ridiculous and some of it is positively juvenile and devalues what libcom is trying to achieve. And I do sometimes wonder how people find the time!
I don't think libcommunity should be closed - but I do think people ought to think a bit more carefully about what they put into it. Libcom is a valuable resource and I think there are still some good discussions on the forums, although I'm sure others may think I'm one of those guilty of "dull, repetitive rants"! What I find annoying is when a relatively serious discussion gets derailed by a whole series of stupid posts.
I don't think there should be any deletion or pruning of the serious discussions. However, libcommunity could be periodically purged with no great loss to humanity. However, at bare minimum, it should be removed from the tracker and be inaccessible to non-registered users.
Sep 9 2008
#30
also it's not just libcommunity that's full of utter shite, the wobblie threads have been a joke for months now, filled with personal dramas, claims and counter claims of corruption and stalking.
also thugarist should be banned for being a union lackey and never posting anything vaguely interesting.
sad days
jesus, i didnt see this one coming....