murdering anti working class nationalist gangsters.
PPK or PKK... whichever
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PPK or PKK... whichever
Ah, the quality of western anti-imperialism seems to be going down. Fourty years ago in the sixties they were bright kids. Possibly bright middle class kids, who had no idea what anti-working class activity these organisations got up to at home. But, they weren't too interested in the working class at home, so why should they have been really interested in the 'little brown people' abroad. Whatever...there were some bright kids.
Nowadays, they seem to be able to support organisations that have actually run campaigns of murdering workers without even knowing the name of these groups. Am I alone in finding this pathetic?
Their name is PKK, Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan, (Kurdistan Workers' Party). Please remember this, so that at least you don't seem so ignorant next time you want to support such blatantly anti-working class groups.
Devrim
pro-North Korea? Let's start a collection to send him there for a holiday. Get to see the starving people, concentration camps, police repression, etc. etc. Next he'll be saying Pol Pot had the right idea.
btw, are there any obscure leftist sects who support or supported Pol Pot? Primmos maybe?
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btw, are there any obscure leftist sects who support or supported Pol Pot? Primmos maybe?
Well daniel that was a bit of a hard question. It took me ten minutes to find one:
http://geocities.com/groupstpp/
Devrim
revol68 wrote:
that website is terrifying!
What? Do you mean this?
Group for the Study of the Theories of Pol Pot wrote:
We work to understand the ideology of Brother Number 1, so that they can be used to achieve Year Zero on world scale.
revol68 wrote:
but we want links to leftie groups in the west who cheerled Year Zero.
I am not old enough to remember, but it seems logical that Maoists would have supported him at the time. It would be difficult to find doccuments on the internet though. If you are interested Alf is old enough to remember, and might know.
Devrim
Felix Frost wrote:
The Norwegian Maoists were big fans of Pol Pot in the 70's, and they had something like 5000 members at the time. I could probably dig up some fun quotes if I wanted to.
(Norwegian Maoist leader shaking hands with his great idol, Brother Number 1)
He's a fucking brave lad, he's wearing his glasses!
That didn't actually happen as often or as consistently as was alleged, by the way. It seemed to be largely down to regional party bosses allowing the excesses of the peasantry to get out of hand- from what i have read (Vickery, Cambodia 1975-1982 and Kiernan, The Pol Pot Regime)
Back to the PKK:
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The PKK is Pro-Americanhurriyet.com.tr
The PKK is Pro-American"
The PKK has steered away from Marxist ideology, and has now become heavily pro-American", representatives from the PKK-affiliated Democratic Solution Party told an American magazine. The article claimed that support for the PKK had grown in the region over recent tensions between northern Iraq and Turkey.
Recent developments regarding the Democratic Solutions Party (KDÇP) -founded by the PKK and its side organisation, PJAK - were reported in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
While representatives of the KDÇP denied being a cloak of the PKK, which the USA, the EU and Turkey have accepted as a terrorist organisation, they stated, "We share the same ideology." KDÇP President, Dr. Fayık Muhammed Golpi, told the magazine, "We were a Marxist organisation. Following the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics we re-evaluated Marxism. Abdullah Öcalan wrote a book about this. We cannot ignore the realities of the period of globalisation. We have chosen democracy and federalism. This is not a tactical move."
Will leftists stop supporting them now?
Devrim
Devrim wrote:
Back to the PKK:Quote:
The PKK is Pro-Americanhurriyet.com.tr
The PKK is Pro-American"
The PKK has steered away from Marxist ideology, and has now become heavily pro-American", representatives from the PKK-affiliated Democratic Solution Party told an American magazine. The article claimed that support for the PKK had grown in the region over recent tensions between northern Iraq and Turkey.
Recent developments regarding the Democratic Solutions Party (KDÇP) -founded by the PKK and its side organisation, PJAK - were reported in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
While representatives of the KDÇP denied being a cloak of the PKK, which the USA, the EU and Turkey have accepted as a terrorist organisation, they stated, "We share the same ideology." KDÇP President, Dr. Fayık Muhammed Golpi, told the magazine, "We were a Marxist organisation. Following the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics we re-evaluated Marxism. Abdullah Öcalan wrote a book about this. We cannot ignore the realities of the period of globalisation. We have chosen democracy and federalism. This is not a tactical move."
Will leftists stop supporting them now?
Devrim
Dunno. Isn't Öcalan real into Bookchin now or something?
MJ wrote:
Devrim wrote:
Back to the PKK:Quote:
The PKK is Pro-Americanhurriyet.com.tr
The PKK is Pro-American"
The PKK has steered away from Marxist ideology, and has now become heavily pro-American", representatives from the PKK-affiliated Democratic Solution Party told an American magazine. The article claimed that support for the PKK had grown in the region over recent tensions between northern Iraq and Turkey.
Recent developments regarding the Democratic Solutions Party (KDÇP) -founded by the PKK and its side organisation, PJAK - were reported in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
While representatives of the KDÇP denied being a cloak of the PKK, which the USA, the EU and Turkey have accepted as a terrorist organisation, they stated, "We share the same ideology." KDÇP President, Dr. Fayık Muhammed Golpi, told the magazine, "We were a Marxist organisation. Following the collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics we re-evaluated Marxism. Abdullah Öcalan wrote a book about this. We cannot ignore the realities of the period of globalisation. We have chosen democracy and federalism. This is not a tactical move."
Will leftists stop supporting them now?
Devrim
Dunno. Isn't Öcalan real into Bookchin now or something?
could be, fuck only knows what mad shite Bookchin was writing in his later years, actually i do know, it was municipilist crap, the kind of 'community politics' that could rest easy beside Khadafi's lil green book.
MJ wrote:
Dunno. Isn't Öcalan real into Bookchin now or something?
I don't know. Apo is in İmralı, a prison island with him as the only prisioner. He does release the occasional political statement, but one can't help thinking that these are very much controlled by the state.
Devrim
Wondered what you guys made of them?