Q: When Insurrections Die versions

Submitted by CapitalG on 6 September, 2008 - 16:33.

Hi,

I'm in the process of translating When Insurrections Die by G.Dauvé into Finnish. Just yesterday I realized the version at libcom.org is slightly different from the one at http://www.geocities.com/antagonism1/whenidie/index.html. Does anyone know which one is the more recent version, or preferred by the author?

'yours for revolution',

CapitalG

9 September, 2008 - 17:24

Whats different about it?

12 September, 2008 - 16:41

Well, for instance the 2nd chapter at Libcom.org is titled "Fascism and Big Capital", and begins: "If it is precisely the case, to use the formulation made famous by Daniel Guerin, that fascism serves the interests of big capital, 99% of the people articulating this perfectly accurate thesis hasten to add that, in spite of everything, fascism could have been averted in 1922 or 1933 if the workers' movement and/or the democrats had mounted enough pressure to bar it from power."

Whereas the 2nd chapter at Antagonism is titled Not "Fascism or Democracy": Fascism and Democracy, and begins: "According to current left-wing wisdom, fascism is raw state power and brutal capital unmasked, so the only way to do away with fascism is to get rid of capitalism altogether. "

I haven't compared them through, but I remember encountering other differences, and also lacking from Libcom-version are the endnotes. Perhaps I'll just go with the one I like better - if only I could make up my mind...

12 September, 2008 - 17:50

Libcom version might have lost its endnotes when it was put into the library.
Otherwise that could mean that it's older.

French version here is dated to june 1998 and uses the first text. It also has endnotes.

Confusingly this website dates the 1998 text as a revision of an older text. The link to the older version of the text does not appear to be either of the texts that you have put up. but it claims the antagonism version is the 1998 revision by Dauve translated by Goldner.

Hope that helps.