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Delete this sub-forum
Hieronymous wrote:
fnbrill wrote:
censorAgreed.
Oliver, you're starting to come off like the Arthur Anderson of the Wobblies.
We're the equivalent of the soapboxers and you're like the Red Squad or Infoshop News.
Long Live Free Speech!
'Cause I'm arresting you all, spraying you with freezing water in overcrowded jails, and shooting you in order to keep the local workers docile?
Every post on here is an example of why this forum should be deleted.
Anyways it might not be horrible politics but its pretty hyperbolic (and a little offensive, coming from a friend) to be compared to a 'red squad'. (Actually 'free speech' politics are pretty horrible and most of the IWWs in the 1910s credited the free speech fights with almost destroying the union at the behest of liberals, without increasing workers power).
I mean seriously Hieronymous, you don't want libcom to give Kevin Keating space to continually spread the same rumors about you, why should they give that space to fnbrill or thugarchist to continually spread the same rumors about others?
edited to add: weeler I think you should be banned because you're a troll, as your above post shows. The fact that you have horrible politics is just funny.
Oliver just a week ago you said about me:
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15 August, 2008 - 07:27Ah, see, when you're more reasonable like this and lay out your claim clearly, it'll get me to say things like "That does seem odd, I'll take that into account and keep an eye on it."
Unfortunately the Bay Area branch occupies a lot of time and energy (honestly i put in a lot less than i ought to), as I'm sure you can imagine, and I like to have some time to do other things - train jiu-jitsu, study, work, play magic, check libcom, etc. Which makes it hard to keep too close of an eye on the international union.
So I post one comment critical of your faction, you want every post in regards to the IWW on Libcom trashed? That does seem extreme. And like a censor because you have a personal political goal in mind, not truth.
You have admited twice that you don't follow IWW internal discussions. So how can you be so dismissive of my points? You don't disprove them. And when I prove them beyond a doubt, you grow very quiet.
The simple fact is that you don't want people to read about the internal workings of the IWW because you are either involved in those machinations or you are embarrassed by them.
Oliver wrote:
Actually 'free speech' politics are pretty horrible and most of the IWWs in the 1910s credited the free speech fights with almost destroying the union at the behest of liberals, without increasing workers power.
Could you prove this rumor? It goes against most everything taught about the IWW and therefore must be wrong. That's your logic.
Oh, yeah, I am the one who has the research that will back you up. Call me.
slava wrote:
To Heironymous, fnbrill, and thugarchist. I would really like to help you form a new organization called DEWU! - Disgruntled Ex Wobblies Unite!First order of business - destroy the IWW.
Second order of business - destroy all Trotskyists.
Third order of business - Movie night featuring Life of Brian.
I'm not an ex-Wob. Its not my fault if your "union" is a soap opera that is completely hilarious and fascinating.
sparrow wrote:
Heironymous, fnbrill, and thugarchist - Pretty clever. Perhaps you should all join the names removed Caucus.
I only know who name removed is so I'll assume the others are of similar character... comparing people who critique, fairly or unfairly, your organization to a KKK member, neo-NAZI sympathizer and police informant is some pretty pathetic shit. The last bastion of the weak.
Name removed was a canadian IWW who became a Nazi.
Ed name removed was someone who was expelleed from the IWW for sabotaging the Administration's computer under weak evidence.
Considering that my family was run out of their home in Klamath Falls by the KKK in the 1920s and I had my home/office (see CHD) assaulted by 7 skinheads in the early 1990s, I find this character attack by the former head of UC Berkeley Youth for Goldwater ironic. [correction: it was the Yuung Republicans in 1964]
Ho Hum fnbrill. You can be whatever you want to be on the internet..
...former head of UC Berkeley Youth for Goldwater?" Where do you get your info? COINTELPRO? Joe Hill's Ashes! Bet you weren't even born then.
Better pull down your tinfoil cap a little tighter.
Last time I voted lesser of two evils was for LBJ. Did run a mimeo with Bettina during FSM tho.
sparrow
sparrow wrote:
Ho Hum fnbrill. You can be whatever you want to be on the internet.....former head of UC Berkeley Youth for Goldwater?" Where do you get your info? COINTELPRO? Joe Hill's Ashes! Bet you weren't even born then.
You're right. One could be whatever one wants. I cannot prove my G'mas memories, but I can prove they were in KFalls at the time. Likewise prove their Catholicism, which the KKK was attacking at the time.
Likewise, I can give you two excellect IWW references to what happened in the 1990s.
As for your past, you were in the Young Republicans in 1964 - the year Goldwater was the Republican candidate.
And I was very much alive at the time.
ftony wrote:
i don't know whether to laugh or cry at this thread.someone lock and bin this train-wreck, please! am i the only (half-)sane wobbly left here on libcom???
Do you think there's any good reasons to leave this forum open? Honest question. I feel like I'm the only IWW member who uses it, and I only use it to respond to accusations made by Thugarchist and fnbrill (some of which have merit, but this isn't a good place for them anyways).
jack white wrote:
surely if there aren't any wobs on here who want the forum it should just be gotten rid of?
hear, hear!
If LibCom wobblies don't want this forum it should be deleted. end of. There is nothing to prevent you critics starting threads of your own, except the boredom of the others posters on this site might mean your only talking to yourselves.
I believe I'm the only IWW left who posts in this sub-forum, besides slava who often says that he is on his last post. All of the other posts come from fnbrill, hieronymous and thugarchist, who are not IWW members.
So, I'd like for this sub-forum to be deleted. Thanks.