thought crime ink
Mar 22 2007 09:32
maybe edmontonwobbly can tell us a bit about this little initiative...
three questions, which are merely for discussion purposes, i.e. not an attack at all:
* given the IWWs critique of workers' co-ops, was there much opposition to this in the branch/union? is it even a co-op, or something else?
* what sort of things are the proceeds going to?
* how come, when this website made by IWW members is so good, the canadian IWW site is so crap? 
ps.
awesome t-shirt 
Mar 22 2007 09:51
#2
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* given the IWWs critique of workers' co-ops, was there much opposition to this in the branch/union? is it even a co-op, or something else?
What has the IWW got to do with this? Why would the IWW have a problem with it? A critique of workers co-ops does not mean members can't be involved in them as individuals. How is this any different from AK Press?
Mar 22 2007 09:53
#3
revol68 wrote:
Quote:
* given the IWWs critique of workers' co-ops, was there much opposition to this in the branch/union? is it even a co-op, or something else?What has the IWW got to do with this? Why would the IWW have a problem with it? A critique of workers co-ops does not mean members can't be involved in them as individuals. How is this any different from AK Press?
cuz AK press doesnt have merch that is hawt and that also rawks
Mar 22 2007 09:54
#4
oh, if you give them high fives, magic happens.
Mar 22 2007 10:00
#5
x357997 wrote:
revol68 wrote:
Quote:
* given the IWWs critique of workers' co-ops, was there much opposition to this in the branch/union? is it even a co-op, or something else?What has the IWW got to do with this? Why would the IWW have a problem with it? A critique of workers co-ops does not mean members can't be involved in them as individuals. How is this any different from AK Press?
cuz AK press doesnt have merch that is hawt and that also rocks
you know what i meant smart arse.
actually the designs are alright but some of the politics are meh, the one about 1936 anti fascist resistance, television: consumer, consume., consume.... and the apathy kills one are all pretty lame.
Mar 22 2007 10:02
#6
the reason i mentioned co-ops is that there's a page on the IWW site that slates co-ops as being no more than capitalism with a smiley face. that's all. nothing to read into there, just a question out of interest.
Mar 22 2007 10:08
#7
revol68 wrote:
x357997 wrote:
revol68 wrote:
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* given the IWWs critique of workers' co-ops, was there much opposition to this in the branch/union? is it even a co-op, or something else?What has the IWW got to do with this? Why would the IWW have a problem with it? A critique of workers co-ops does not mean members can't be involved in them as individuals. How is this any different from AK Press?
cuz AK press doesnt have merch that is hawt and that also rocks
you know what i meant smart arse.
actually the designs are alright but some of the politics are meh, the one about 1936 anti fascist resistance, television: consumer, consume., consume.... and the apathy kills one are all pretty lame.
the blurbs make me sad but pimping fools for cash to fund working class revolution is pretty damn cool. maby you should write them an email with suggestions about the blurbs.
Mar 22 2007 10:13
#8
ftony wrote:
the reason i mentioned co-ops is that there's a page on the IWW site that slates co-ops as being no more than capitalism with a smiley face. that's all. nothing to read into there, just a question out of interest.
yeah and they are right but how else do you propose flogging t shirts?
Mar 22 2007 10:22
#9
i think its more of a collective.
our relationship to co-ops - and the various kinds of them - is a current debate. ftony, i'm sure you will have to deal with it at GA. We have had or have organizing campaigns in co-ops.
Mar 22 2007 10:54
#10
guys guys i'm not dissing it, i'm just asking if there was any ruckus in the branch over it. jesus...
Mar 22 2007 11:00
#11
ftony wrote:
guys guys i'm not dissing it, i'm just asking if there was any ruckus in the branch over it. jesus...
the only people who would whinge would be lifestylist pricks.
Mar 22 2007 11:08
#12
alas there are a fair few of 'em about.
Mar 22 2007 11:20
#13
ftony wrote:
guys guys i'm not dissing it, i'm just asking if there was any ruckus in the branch over it. jesus...
my point is the branch probably wouldnt make it an issue if it was a collective.
Mar 22 2007 11:22
#14
revol68 wrote:
ftony wrote:
guys guys i'm not dissing it, i'm just asking if there was any ruckus in the branch over it. jesus...the only people who would whinge would be lifestylist pricks.
i thought co-ops and green business was for lifestylist pricks
Mar 22 2007 11:25
#15
x357997 wrote:
revol68 wrote:
ftony wrote:
guys guys i'm not dissing it, i'm just asking if there was any ruckus in the branch over it. jesus...the only people who would whinge would be lifestylist pricks.
i thought co-ops and green business was for lifestylist pricks
Only if you think they are actual means of figthing capitalism, they are fine for a group of people wanting to flog political t shirts in order to fund some other shit.
Mar 22 2007 11:29
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Mar 22 2007 11:29
#17
Naw there wasn't a ruckus in the branch, hell some of us are talking about merging our book publishing venture, Black Books into it since they seem to be so popular, and we are so tiny. Technically it's actually non profit society, and runs as a worker coop insofar as it makes money, which with all the attention its been getting will likely be the case. The T-shirt designs are actually the result of a lot of beer and *other stuff* and us sitting around with crayons shouting slogans. The politics are obviously going to be pretty diverse, there are all sorts of folks in the branch with different politics.
The reason why its run as a worker coop is because capitalism with a smiliey face is still better than clean shaven small business yuppie capitalism. There's also another worker coop of sound technicians which is kind of coalescing around the branch. I'm trying to push worker coops to make a deal with us for their red card that they will provide sacked organisers with work until they can get back on their feet or back into a drive that way they actually provide something material to our organising work rather than just flashing the IWW logo around (which is handy).
Hope that clears things up.
Mar 22 2007 11:41
#18
EdmontonWobbly wrote:
Black Books
Mar 22 2007 11:47
#19
Oh one more thing, don't tell the hippy at freedom books, but the original guy at thoughtcrimeinc is one of our petroleum workers. He's a millwright.
Mar 22 2007 11:47
#20
is that EW on the left? thought he had shorter hair ...
Mar 22 2007 11:47
#21
haha, i was thinking about Black Books too!
anyway thanks for the explanation EW. i wasn't having a go or nuffink guv.
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I'm trying to push worker coops to make a deal with us for their red card that they will provide sacked organisers with work until they can get back on their feet or back into a drive that way they actually provide something material to our organising work
cunning and lovely in equal measures.
Mar 22 2007 11:49
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is that EW on the left? thought he had shorter hair ...
nah, he's not in the picture. he's out there organising the masses and sees posing for photo shoots as participating in the Spectacle, man 
Mar 22 2007 12:23
#23
This one's good. And if CA $ are like US $ its cheaper than buying an Am App tshirt at the store round the corner.
Mar 22 2007 12:29
#24
CA$ < US$ iirc
Mar 22 2007 12:39
#25
lol yeah just calculated - its 8£! They might as well give them away
Ah thats only a couple of quid cheaper than a regular am ap shirt, thought they were more than that 
Mar 22 2007 13:09
#26
rkn wrote:
This one's good. And if CA $ are like US $ its cheaper than buying an Am App tshirt at the store round the corner.
do you mean the laydee or the t-shirt?
Mar 22 2007 13:10
#27
ps. EW are these models all wobs?
if so, then
a) canadian wobs are prettier than UK wobs
b) you could make a calendar with all you sexy people on it.
Mar 22 2007 13:14
#28
ftony wrote:
ps. EW are these models all wobs?
Horndog.
Mar 22 2007 13:16
#29
Mar 22 2007 14:24
#30
Yeah workers' co-ops to raise money are all good. Just as long as setting them up isn't revolutionary strategy.
The only bad thing about it is this:
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Celebrating the organization and resistance of the anti-fascist Spanish Republican forces and their allies in the international brigades.
http://www.thoughtcrimeink.com/core.php/merch/tee/nineteen_thirtysix/
I like this one:
they are essentialy hawt and rock.