What has this got to do with libertarian communism? bin.
How to make a country disappear
So you are saying that linguistic/national minority groups would have no form of protection in the world you envisage. Minority cultures would be subject to the whim of majority groups?
Are you sure its me the national anarchist and that you are not an Anglo-supremacist anarchist?
So let me get this right. In schools in Wales you think it would be fine for Welsh to be taken off the curiculum and only English used or do you think both languages should be avaliable?
In Kosovo should Serbian and Albanian be taught or just Albanian?
How would what you propose ensure that cultural diversity was maintained and minorities were not destroyed?
Again it sounds more like a recipy for the dominance of the majority group; funny that. Perhaps you are part of the English majority?
You asked questions about anarchism. Anarchism proposes a self-managed communist society. There would be no national curriculum in a self-managed communist society. Like I said, people in their (multi-"cultural", multi-racial) self-managed communities would make the decisions.
But nonetheless, Cornish is no more "your" language than Gaelic is "mine".
No question about forcing anybody to do anything, you do like putting words in peoples mouths don't you. I thought you lot would be more open minded.
The language along with other aspects of history, sport and culture should be avaliable but NOT forced.
Anyway I can see that this will go around and round so I'll take my leave now.
I do wish you all the best and there is much in your philosophy I like and respect.
"anti-intellectualism"
I think you'll find I read more than just a couple of anarchist classics. I also speak French and Breton and live in Paris.
"Speak Cornish to me you sexy fuckwit"
Have you got pink hair?
KERNOW - RACIST ATTACKS ON COMMUNITY CENTRE CONDEMNED
The General Secretary (GS) has written to Cornwall Council Leader David Whalley in an attempt to urge the Council to do more to promote relations between ethnic groups in Cornwall. The call comes shortly after a spate of racist graffiti attacks against a former Methodist chapel near Truro that is currently being converted into an Asian community centre.
The full text of the GS letter, which has been copied to the Muslim Council of Britain and Chief Constable Stephen Otter (who is also the spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers on Race and Diversity), can be found below:
"Dear Councillor David Whalley
Racist attacks on Methodist Chapel, Quenchwell
I am writing to you following repeated graffiti attacks on the old Methodist chapel at Quenchwell, near Carnon Down in recent weeks.
The Celtic League outrightly condemns any racist attack against members of other ethnic communities in Cornwall and elsewhere, even if they are only, for the moment, in the form of graffiti. Even though it was probably only a small number of people who were responsible for dubbing the graffiti and that the vast majority of people in Cornwall would equally condemn the attacks, it may nevertheless be prudent for Cornwall Council, along with members of the Devon and Cornwall Police Constabulary and other public bodies, to begin a campaign or series of events to encourage members of Cornwall's public to engage in intercultural dialogue.
As you may be aware, 2008 is the European Year for Intercultural Dialogue and is also an area that the European Union has been promoting for many years within Europe and beyond. The aim of the project is to forge and develop good relations between members of different cultural groups. (More information, including some ideas, can be found at the link below). Relating to the Year for Intercultural Dialogue events could be organised between members of different ethnic groups throughout Cornwall, in an attempt to promote cultural dialogue and understanding. In the other Celtic countries, where such programmes have been implemented, the results have been very encouraging.
We are aware of some small scale programmes in Cornwall that aim to promote intercultural understanding e.g. Redruth Polish Society, but the Celtic League believes that a Cornwall wide approach is needed to overcome the bigotry and prejudice among some people that has manifested itself in the graffiti at Quenchwell.
We look forward to hear your views on this matter.
Yours sincerely
Rhisiart Tal-e-bot
General Secretary"
The Celtic League is committed to combating racism and in 2001 at its AGM in Cymru endorsed the aims and objectives of the (United Nations) 'World Conference Against Racism'.
See links at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/message/475
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/message/478
J B Moffatt
Director of Information
Celtic League
22/06/08
The Celtic League has branches in the six Celtic Countries. It works to promote cooperation between these countries and campaigns on a broad range of political, cultural and environmental matters. It highlights human rights abuse, monitors all military activity and focuses on socio-economic issues.
Internet site at:
http://celticleague.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/
Devrim wrote:
Why on Earth should children be forced to learn a language which has no practical use whatsoever?
becuase every language is at least slightly unlike any other language, and has a literature. this is of interest to language historians (like me) and to those who wish to retain literature in the idiom in which it was written..
newyawka wrote:
it's worked for irish.
What has? Irish is a language in decline, and has been since the 19th Century.
newyawka wrote:
well one could say that we're forced to learn whatever language we use, so why not cornish in schools along with english?
But why? It is a dead language, which has been revived by a minuscule group of people. If it is their hobby then fair enough, but why subject others to it?
Devrim
Devrim wrote:
But why? It is a dead language, which has been revived by a minuscule group of people. If it is their hobby then fair enough, but why subject others to it?Devrim
Because it is part of their national identity. Cornish people should speak Cornish, anything else is oppression, whether they like it or not. Just like how people in Champagne ought to speak Champenois and people in Siberia speak Siberian.
Zazaban wrote:
Devrim wrote:
But why? It is a dead language, which has been revived by a minuscule group of people. If it is their hobby then fair enough, but why subject others to it?Devrim
Because it is part of their national identity. Cornish people should speak Cornish, anything else is oppression, whether they like it or not. Just like how people in Champagne ought to speak Champenois and people in Siberia speak Siberian.
i really hope this is satire.
Joseph K. wrote:
Zazaban wrote:
Devrim wrote:
But why? It is a dead language, which has been revived by a minuscule group of people. If it is their hobby then fair enough, but why subject others to it?Devrim
Because it is part of their national identity. Cornish people should speak Cornish, anything else is oppression, whether they like it or not. Just like how people in Champagne ought to speak Champenois and people in Siberia speak Siberian.
i really hope this is satire.
Don't worry, it is.
Devrim wrote:
newyawka wrote:
it's worked for irish.What has? Irish is a language in decline, and has been since the 19th Century.
if it were in decline that long, it would be gone. let's be frank: thanks to the nationalists first, and govt policy based on nationalism after, including a requirement of it in school up to a certain grade and also a requirement of it for civil service (still in effect?) its number of speakers has been stabilized, and appears from my experience to be increasing, however slowly. (full disclosure: i've started to learn it 3 times, and failed 3 times.)
devrim wrote:
newyawka wrote:
well one could say that we're forced to learn whatever language we use, so why not cornish in schools along with english?But why? It is a dead language
define 'dead language'
newyawka wrote:
But why? It is a dead language
define 'dead language'
I personally like the definition of 'A language that is no longer spoken as a first language or in common use by anyone.' A moribund language would be a language spoken as a first language by a negligible amount of people.
May i also suggest that, since there's still an active discussion here, that this is unbinned?
fuck the iorish cunting language, my mum was forced to learn it in school and oddly she still can't speak a word of it, because it is of no fucking use, it is no ones first language and despite the attempts of nationalists and various 'multicultural' govt inniatives it is still of fuck all interest to the vast majority of people in Ireland. May it be left to rot like latin.
Revol,
Firstly I'm sure there are people who speak Irish as a first language. They may not be many, but that's beside the point. Who are you to deny them the right to speak their language. It's different to Cornish, as no one speaks it as a first language and haven't for centuries.
Latin, on the other hand, is actually a useful foundation for learning romance languages*, particularly Spanish and Italian. It may not be spoken by anyone outside the Catholic church or harry Potter fans, but that's no reason to "leave it to rot".
There are probably more Welsh speakers in Cornwall than Cornish speakers, I think the whole idea of reviving it is daft.
Regards,
Martin
* particularly for people brought up in English speaking countries who have no idea of grammar because it's not taught and not necessarily obvious in our own language.
How to make a country disappear: http://duchyofcornwall.eu/
Well I don’t have the exact formula but if you study this website from the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association you’ll be able to see exactly the constitutional loops the establishment and Duchy authority have jumped through to turn Cornwall, an extraterritorial crown possession legally separate from England, into a supposed English county.
This site explains how a British territorial possession became someone’s private estate.
It makes great and fairly easy reading and should be studied by all those interested in the UK constitution. For more details of the Duchy scam you can listen to the person behind the Duchy of Cornwall Human Rights Association, John Angarrack, in interview on BBC radio Cornwall talking about his new book here: http://www.myspace.com/thecornwellian
If you want to find out more then try the books on the Cornish question by John Angarrack: http://johnangarrack.co.uk/
In the 19th century a dispute blew up between the Crown (UK government) and the Duchy of Cornwall (Cornish government) over the foreshore of Cornwall. At this time Cornwall was producing tin and a lot of the foreshore had mine shafts under it so you can imagine that a fair bit of money was at stake.
The dispute went to arbitration as there was no court in the land deemed high enough.
The Duchy won and did so by effectively proving that all of Cornwall was the Duchy and that this was exterior to the crown i.e. Cornwall was outside the UK.
The Duchy provided reams of documents to support its case and even made mention of the territorial waters of Cornwall as a threat in case the Crown did not capitulate.
One key passage from the Duchy is:
That Cornwall, like Wales, was at the time of the Conquest, and was subsequently treated in many respects as distinct from England.
That it was held by the Earls of Cornwall with the rights and prerogative of a County Palatine, as far as regarded the Seignory or territorial dominion.
That the Dukes of Cornwall have from the creation of the Duchy enjoyed the rights and prerogatives of a County Palatine, as far as regarded seignory or territorial dominion, and that to a great extent by Earls.
That when the Earldom was augmented into a Duchy, the circumstances attending to it's creation, as well as the language of the Duchy Charter, not only support and confirm natural presumption, that the new and higher title was to be accompanied with at least as great dignity, power, and prerogative as the Earls enjoyed, but also afforded evidence that the Duchy was to be invested with still more extensive rights and privileges.
The Duchy Charters have always been construed and treated, not merely by the Courts of Judicature, but also by the Legislature of the Country, as having vested in the Dukes of Cornwall the whole territorial interest and dominion of the Crown in and over the entire County of Cornwall.
All of the above is explored in much greater detail on John Angarracks website.
What do I say about all this? Scrap the lot; Duchy, county council etc and return sovereignty to the people of Cornwall with power devolved as close to our communities as possible.